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« Chicago suburbs trying to get around Heller | Main | American Hunters & Shooters Ass'n director takes out new antigun ad »

Heller gets his gun registered

Posted by David Hardy · 18 August 2008 11:03 AM

Story here.

Hat tip to Six-gun Sarah...

5 Comments | Leave a comment

Don Hamrick | August 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Reply

Article on use of shotguns in war
Posted by David Hardy ยท 27 November 2006 12:58 PM
armsandthelaw[dot]com/archives/2006/11/article_on_use.php

Here's a pdf file from Army Lawyer, on the legalities of use of shotguns in war. It mentions the German WWI protest over use of the Winchester 1897, and threats to execute any soldier captured with one, and the American response (which after arguing legalities said the US would retaliate against their troops if they tried -- those were days when the game was played for keeps).

I found the historical discussion of use of shotguns equally interesting. And the note that in jungle fighting in Malaysia, the British found that at 30 yards, the shotgun was twice as likely to get a hit as a rifle, and I gather substantially more likely to get a hit than a submachine gun.

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The link to the article is broken. However I found the article (or I think I found the right article) at the Library of Congress website:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/10-1997.pdf

But I need documentation on the use of "short-barrel" (i.e., sawed-off) shotguns in the military to throw at the federal court to counter federal gun control laws.

Is there any documentation defending the use of sawed-off shotguns?

Don Hamrick | August 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Reply

P.S.
The article runs pages 16-24.

30yearProf | August 19, 2008 8:37 AM | Reply

No where in any of the court documents in U. S. v. Miller does it say that the shotgun barrel had been "sawn-off." All it says is "short barreled." There is NO BASIS for joining the antis in using inaccurate pejorative terms.

Don Hamrick | August 19, 2008 9:04 AM | Reply

Developing new legal argument to counter Heller's opinion and the 8th Circuit's opinion in Hollis Wayne Fisher's case of unorganized militia leader's possession of machinegun and sawed-off shotgun and refusing to address the "full scope" of Second Amendment as applied to weapons of the future.

'Invisible wars' of the future to use e-bombs, laser guns and acoustic weapons
english.pravda[dot]ru/science/tech/84544-0/

If it is the federal courts intention to keep the people from acquiring new weapons technology (new firearms) then what better way than to avoid addressing the full scope of Second Amendment rights from the People's perspective. Instead the federal courts serve as the new Judicial Praetorian Guards for the U.S. Government in aiding and abetting the the thefts of constitutional rights and powers from the People.

Don Hamrick | August 19, 2008 9:23 AM | Reply

Miller: "barrel less than 18 inches in length"

Part of my argument is first legalizing "barrel less than 18 inches in length" whether it comes from the factory or self-made, i.e., sawed-off "barrel less than 18 inches in length."

EXAMPLE:

"Joint Service Combat Shotgun Program," by W. Hays Parks, Special Assistant for Law of War Matters, Office of The Judge Advocate General, U.S. Army Washington, D.C.

THE COMBAT SHOTGUN:

The Combat Shotgun to be procured and fielded will be required to satisfy the following operational and physical requirements described in the Joint Operational Requirement Document and further amplified in the contract Purchase Description:

(4) Have a length of 41.75 inches or less and
be capable of being reconfigured to, and be
operated at a length of, 36 inches or less.

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Or this:

Auto Assault 12ga Shotgun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOEEOTjGqM
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=741

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