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« Colt v. Bushmaster lawsuit | Main | Documentaries »

Dealing with IEDs

Posted by David Hardy · 11 December 2005 12:44 PM

Just in case any readers have connections with DARPA or suchlike, I'll post an email I sent to the Marine Corps lab--

From what I hear, many of the improvised explosive devices use cellphones as detonators.

Most electronic receivers put out a radio frequency field, due to the necessity to "mix" frequencies up and down (it's often better to discriminate between signals at one frequency range, then take it back down before amplifying). Thus even a receiver transmits, albeit faintly. That's how police are able to have "radar detector detectors" that spot when a driver goes by with a radar detector operational
in his car. The police detector picks up radiation emitted by the driver's radar detector. That's also why the airlines make passengers shut down cell phones, laptops and ordinary radios during takeoff.

I don't know if cellphones radiate a more powerful signal, so the network knows where you are when a call comes through to you. They might keep track of your location, or might query the entire network when a call is received.

Might it be possible to build a cellphone detector? The range might be improved with a yagi or other directional antenna, which would also let you judge which direction is the cellphone.

It could be mounted on a remote control vehicle (heck, even one of the fancier remote control toy cars) to probe ahead, or to approach a suspicious package, in which event the range need only be a few feet. It could relay back by radio its findings, or if designed on the cheap, just light up a light to show cell phone presence. I suspect these could be made in quantity for fifty dollars or so.

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6 Comments | Leave a comment

Sebastian | December 11, 2005 9:15 PM | Reply

Cell phones aren't just receivers. They are transceivers, meaning they have a radio for receiving a signal from the cell tower, and a transmitter for sending signals back. Not only should it be easy to detect a cell phone, the technology already exists.


My understanding is that in Iraq, locals know to expect a cell phone outage if they see an American patrol coming, since jamming equipment is already in common use as a means of defeating IEDs.

markm | December 12, 2005 8:16 AM | Reply

To stay ready to receive a call, a cellphone has to periodically send a short signal to tell the cell system where it is. Otherwise, the system won't know which tower to send the incoming call to. That signal is full strength and detectable at the same range as a cell call is, but I don't see a way to tell whether the cellphone is in an IED or clipped to someone's belt.

Also, any receiver will emit some RF from it's local oscillator. At short range, this makes it continuously detectable. This is wasted power, so the engineers will work especially hard to minimize this signal in a device that has to work from a small battery - that is, in cellphones. So the detectability range might be closer than you'd want to be when you detect an IED, but OK for a robot sent ahead of the convoy. The problem, once again, is how does the robot determine if the cellphone running inside a parked car is hooked to an IED detonator, or is just in the pocket of someone parked on the side of the road.

So jamming all cellphones while you pass seems like a good idea. It's not a perfect idea. It would be possible to rig a jamming detector and use that to set off the bomb, but this is much, much harder than just wiring the ringer to a blasting cap.

Michael | December 12, 2005 10:16 PM | Reply

Have you seen these? They started building these for high profile security details, bomb squads among others. The military has similar items. Detecting is easy, figuring out what to do with what you find is the tough part. The problem is if you have a reverse signal (where a lost signal is the trigger). Only and EMP would really stop all of the options on triggering an IED.

bill | December 13, 2005 9:25 PM | Reply

Much simpler to use high powered wide-band jammers. Takes out all sources of radio triggeringing, not just cell phones(like garage door openers). Only ways left are wired and IR. Harder to defeat but range is a problem for the attacker.

bud | December 14, 2005 1:15 PM | Reply

My son just got back. He says that the vast majority of the command detonated radio IEDs are triggered from a simple Motorola FRS set. The bad guys use a wind-up timer, like on a toaster, to keep stray signals from triggering it while they are arming it, but once the timer finishes, a simple call into the tone-keyed receiver and... boom. Total cost; 2 bucks for the timer and 18 bucks for the pair of FRS radios.

Cell phone triggers are passe'.

email is human readable - aloud.

Rivrdog | December 15, 2005 9:52 PM | Reply

The IDF is reported to have solved this problem with an oscillating transmitter that sends powerful signals in random codes. The equipment is large, and takes a 5-ton vehicle or Super Blackhawk to carry.

The system can be tuned for either the generic R/C detonators that the paleo-terrorists invented (or got from the CCCP years ago), or cell phones, or even plain command-detonated explosives belts. There haven't been many successful strikes against IDF outposts in the last couple of years, but there HAVE been quite a few "bomb blew up prematurely" cases where bombers were deconstructed in the process.

Rumor also has it that the US refused to use the equipment due to it's huge directed energy issues. In other words, it can fry people as well as 'splode splodey-dopes.

What gets me is the fact that a simple modification to the cell sites, necessitating the use of newer cell phones that are tamper-proof could eliminate most of these phone-detonators. Why haven't we insisted on that?

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