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« Relocation of 2007 NRA Convention | Main | Totally off topic, but »

Proper use of firearms in Britain

Posted by David Hardy · 22 July 2005 12:24 PM

According to the London paper The Times Online, onlookers to the recent shooting of the fleeing bomber in London describe the situation as:

"He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn’t have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor.

"The policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand, he held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him."

The British (for all their gun law failings) have long had a more realistic response to terror than we do. When I was with Interior in the late 80s, another attorney attended a terrorism response session (yes, they had concerns back then) where there was a presentation on the British storming the Iranian Embassy, which had been taken over by hostage-takers. He said the SAS had been given photos of many of the hostage takers, and told they were divided into three classes. One, I assume needed for interogation, were to be taken alive if at all possible. A second group could be taken alive or not. A third group was not to be taken alive, period (I assume because future hostages might be taken in order to free them).

The hostage takers had taken a British policeman. Since they supposedly aren't armed, they didn't search him. Well, British cops don't always follow that rule, and he had a hidden gun. As the SAS stormed the building, he grabbed a hostage taker and put the gun to his head. The SAS burst in, and he shouted he had the fellow. The SAS ordered him away from him. He stepped away, and they shot the hostage taker dead. He had been on the third list.

I'd assume there was no such list involved here, but the concern would have been whether the fellow had a bomb belt on, and a warning shot to the head was the best solution. It doesn't sound like there was a detailed investigation -- but with a city under repeated terrorist attack, a fellow who attracts police attention, flees, and rushes into the subways which have been a target in the preceding days and indeed hours, does assume a certain risk.

· non-US

2 Comments

Alex Swanson | July 22, 2005 3:02 PM

As a Brit, can I make a couple of comments.


(1) We certainly don't take a more realistic attitude towards terrorists than the US does. We just have terrorist incidents here more often. I'm sure that if you guys had the same experience here you'd be even tougher. Apart from anything else, the attitude towards the IRA over the past few years can only be described as appeasement.


(2) The idea that a UK policeman might have a hidden gun is implausible to the point of impossibility. The possession of handguns for self defence, other than under rigid official control, has been outlawed since the 1940's. If he really had acted as you say, then he was taking two serious risks: (1) being shot himself as a suspect terrorist (and armed UK police, if not SAS, *will* shoot without hesitation at the slightest provocation - google "Henry Stanley" if you don't believe this); (2) five years inside just for possession. Furthermore, British police simply have an anti-gun culture. If the incident you describe is really true, then I suspect that the cop in question must have been a Special Branch officer who had indeed had the gun under authority for whatever duty he was carrying out. If this was secret then the story you give might have been given out to cover the fact up.

W. Bailey | July 23, 2005 9:07 PM

Oh dear! How depressing. Just when I thought the Brits "got it" on guns.