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« Tragic loss | Main | Different values in Chicago »

ATF examination of guns used in Las Vegas mass killing

Posted by David Hardy · 1 April 2019 09:59 AM

Attorney Stephen Stamboulieh obtained the ATF report via the Freedom of Info Act. Here it is.

On p. 31, a significant statement. ATF saw no external signs that the guns had been converted to full auto. "However, on-scene ATF personnel were not allowed to physically examine the interior of the weapons for machine-gun fire-control components or known machinegun conversion devices such as Drop-In Auto Sears, Lightning Links, etc." The bolding is in the original, and suggests the agency was annoyed. Understandably, since determining if something was NFA is their field of expertise, and FBI (which had at best questionable jurisdiction -- what non-firearm federal crime could the killer have committed?) was keeping them from examining the evidence, and from the statement probably prevents them to this day.

UPDATE: David Codrea has even more. ATF experts reporting that they cannot confirm bumpstocks were actually used. The killer certainly had them, but may have used guns modified to fire full auto, and ATF could not determine which it was without examining them internally, which which FBI refused to allow.

7 Comments | Leave a comment

Flight-ER-Doc | April 1, 2019 1:24 PM | Reply

The fix is in...

FWB | April 2, 2019 7:46 AM | Reply

TWS in the ABC agencies.

Mike Murray | April 2, 2019 12:44 PM | Reply

What kind of sauce comes with that serving of red herring?
Straw man with roquefort to accompany it?

Rkh | April 2, 2019 3:39 PM | Reply

Conspiracy theory much?

What is this even trying to suggest? The shooter used actual MGs and the FBI covered it up and blamed bump stocks? Just stop.

Durham | April 8, 2019 10:50 AM | Reply

I would like some more information on this little part on pg 36
"ATF querried PADDOCK in all of its law enforcement, licensing, National Firearms Act registration, and NICS transaction databases. All queries have resulted in negative results for Federal explosives or firearms licenses or (redacted per (b)(3)-(26USC SS6103))."
What do you suppose they redacted? and why? Do you think they redacted the fact that they do keep the records of all the NICS checks that are supposed to be disposed of within 24 hours? hmmm.

KS Gunner | April 8, 2019 4:10 PM | Reply

26 USC SS6103 pertains to the confidentiality of tax records, so presumably no records of Form 1s or 4s.

Len Savage | April 15, 2019 7:06 AM | Reply

Mr. Conspiracy,

As a firearms expert I can tell there is only one reason the FBI would not let anyone push one pin and swing open the action of an AR-15....

There is only ONE reason: That would be use of a DIAS or (drop in auto sear).

They can be removed very easily but to an expert you can see very visible signs of their use on the inside components of firearm where it interacted with the firing mechanism.

Also even if one removed the DIAS from a firearm but left the other required parts installed according to US v. Olofson it would still be considered a machinegun (EVEN WITH NO BUMPSTOCK).

The expert from ATF in US v. Olofson now runs ATF tech branch. He was denied access.

The above are facts, not opinions. I don't give a flying fornication you don't want to know if the firearms used were machineguns.

I do.

Pardon me when I say with utmost respect: Lead, follow or get the hell out the way sir.

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