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The shooting of Jemel Roberson
He was a security guard at a night club in Illinois. A gunman began shooting, and he apparently took away his gun and held him for police. The details are unknown, but police (acting outside their jurisdiction) shot him. Story here.
UPDATE: His family has a Gofundme fundraiser They were seeking $150,000, and Kanye West just donated that.
It underscores what one retired LEO told me. Training in shoot houses is useful and fun, but most have a defect: all targets are clearly good guy or bad guy. There usually are no ambiguous targets, ones where the person is armed but it's unclear if he's good or bad. The article linked above goes into a long list of cases where police shot a security guard, or a fellow but out-of-uniform officer in that situation. There was one in DC some years ago; officer sees car driving away, a person holding onto its door and menacing the driver with a gun. The officer fatally shot the person with the gun ... and found out they were a fellow LEO trying to stop a car theft.
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FWB "Cops are their to protect the people and die if need be."
What a tool. The job of law enforcement...is to enforce the law.
They are not required to die, in order to do that.
All that is needed, is to apply the rules of self defense, equally to both officer and citizen.
About all cops do to enforce laws is to write traffic tickets. 99% of what they do involves garbage cleanup - after the fact. How often do cops prevent crimes from happening? The majority of cops don't even know the laws they supposedly enforce.
I proposed locally that the city attorney have monthly seminars that the cops are required to attend to learn the laws. My father obtained all the ordinances and studied them so he knew the law. The rest of the guys then and now, not so much.
there not their - Didn't catch typo until to late and apparently no edit button.
a few cops are great. Most cops are fearful, gutless pieces. The law should be that unless and until the cops is fired on or attacked with a deadly weapon, knife or such, they are prohibited from firing on the supposed perp. Cops are their to protect the people and die if need be.
Here's a story. Back about 1950 my father was on night patrol here in our town and came upon a gang of 30 or so miscreants ready to rumble. Cops were hated just as much then as now. He stops his patrol car, gets out with his m1 carbine with a 30 round mag. As he approaches, he pushes the safety off, only it isn't the safety it is the mag release. As he fumbles on the ground for the mag, he holds his ground and tells them to break it up as he had 30 bullets and would use them. He was alone with no back up. Suffice it to say, the gang(s) backed down and left. Later Dad learned that a man he knew had the leader of one gang in his scope on his deer rifle but Dad had no idea of back up at the time. THAT is a man. Dad stayed in the dept until 1959. He gave out an average of 300 tickets a month over 11 years, losing only 2 cases. That was in a town of 10,000. He was beat up, grazed by a bullet across the chin, left in a body cast for 9 months after a chase on a motorcycle. He never shot and killed anyone.
In 2013 at 87, he dealt with a home invader. He kept the fumbling idiot off base while Dad moved around the house with his two canes talking to the bad guy. He was able to get the guy outside and get a young neighbor to come in the house. He got a 9 mil and gave it to the neighbor who shot and wounded the guy as the bad guy was trying to come back in. Cops had surrounded the house by that time but hadn't approached.