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« A problem with polling | Main | Armed citizen stops potential mass slaying »

EPA closes last primary lead smelter in US

Posted by David Hardy · 17 November 2013 08:18 PM

Story here. On a related front, I guess copper bullets aren't green enough,either. Center for Biological Diversity, which opposes lead bullets, also opposes a new copper mine near Tucson.

10 Comments | Leave a comment

fwb | November 17, 2013 10:21 PM | Reply

Delegata postestes non potest delegari. Congress cannot legitimately transfer any power to the EPA or any other body to make laws, rules, or regulations. While making all the laws, rules, and regulations is a formidable task, especially when taking on a multitude of powers not granted to Congress, the fact that We the People gave Congress the power to make all laws, rules, and regulation means We the People delegated OUR authority to Congress and Congress cannot pass that authority on to any other entity. That is what the legal maxim beginning this comment teaches us. That which has been delegated cannot be further delegated. It is a breach of trust for Congress to allow any entity other than themselves to make ALL laws, rules, and regulations. That breach of trust is a violation of the oath to support and uphold the Constitution.

Frank Masotti | November 17, 2013 10:48 PM | Reply

The EPA is another government agency that wants nothing more then the American people to be disarmed. There goes those nice low prices for ammo. Especially since importing lead is so expensive, and imported ammo both A: Sucks and B: Will be more expensive now due to "lead concerns".

Frank Masotti | November 17, 2013 10:57 PM | Reply

Forgot to add, as the smart ass in me is screaming to do.
"What about pencils, how are we going to get pencils? Won't somebody please think about the children?"

Hartley | November 18, 2013 8:36 AM | Reply

Um, Frank - that's graphite, not lead, in pencils..:-)
Copper is toxic, though not in the same way as lead, and the historical activities of copper mining have put a lot of it into the environment (in ways that DO affect people). While I doubt we're going to see a cutoff of copper mining, the enviro costs are definitely going to rise.

fwb | November 18, 2013 10:19 AM | Reply

If anyone in this country had cajones, they'd hire their own guards and tell the EPA where to put it.

As originally understood, the feds had no say over what goes on within a state. So lead could be mined within a state and not shipped elsewhere. BUut the truth is that the power to regulate commerce among the states was recognized BY THE FRAMERS as ONLY covering things that A STATE DID, i.e. attempt by one state to mess with other states through state level laws. It never covered things in commerce or even vehicles of commerce. During the 1787 convention, it was brought to the floor to give Congress the power to regulate stages on post roads. That proposal died without discussion because the Framers were not giving Congress and the fed such unlimited powers. We today are just plain s2pid. We believe the lies the courts and the government tells us. IF the government has the blanket authority to ban something like lead, why the heck did we need the 18th amendment? Nothing else in the Constitution changed. The only thing that did change was the usurpation of excess powers by greedy, controlling politicians.

Jim K | November 18, 2013 10:44 AM | Reply

One issue people seem to missing about this closing is that facility smelted lead for the auto battery manufacturers. According to NSSF ammunition manufacturers had switched to alternate sources years ago.

Zman | November 18, 2013 11:55 AM | Reply

This is the rule:
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In 2008, the standard for lead was reduced from 1.5 mg of lead per cubic meter of air to 0.15.
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Reduced by a factor of 10!

Rich | November 19, 2013 7:05 AM | Reply

Jim K:

So now we have to import the lead for our batteries? From the title I assume there are no other suppliers in the US.
Can't run our cars so need to buy hybrids with batteries from China?

Ken Glick (EEI) | November 19, 2013 3:05 PM | Reply

I wish the EPA would be required to complete an "economic impact" report whenever they issue a new regulation so that they will know just how muchthey are destroying American industry.

wrangler5 | November 19, 2013 3:08 PM | Reply

I've read that almost all lead is recycled. Car (and other lead-based) batteries in particular have had an extensive recovery and recycle infrastructure for years. There are also established processes (and processors) for recovering lead from shooting ranges - my own club expects to harvest tons of lead from the backstops in about 5 more years, when the recycler we're in contact with says it will be economically worthwhile to bring in the bulldozers to remove and replace the near-mountains of dirt that will be involved. Indoor ranges with steel traps recover lead much more frequently.

In addition to the NSSF, I beleive Sierra Bullets also put out a press release indicating that this closure would have no effect on their lead supplies. Even though this smelter is in the same state, Sierra didn't buy from them.

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