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Brady: A permit holder is just someone who hasn't committed a crime, YET
Video debate over Georgia's (error corrected) statute allowing CCW in parking lots, mass transit and airports here.
The Brady Campaign spokesman says "We've gotta be reasonable here .... getting a concealed weapons permit just means you haven't committed a crime, yet." An interesting attitude for a group that claims to only want "commonsense" restrictions.
UPDATE: no idea where he got that figure. If you have a large enough group of people, somebody's going to get arrested for something. For example, there are about 1.5 million arrests nationwide for DUI annually, and that's just one misdemeanor. Works out to about half a percent of the population. Texas has around 268,000 pistol permit holders, so if they're at the same rate as the general population, that'd mean 1,368 DUI arrests or 3.6 per day, just for DUI. Total arrest rate for the US in 2005 was 4,761.6 per 100,000, or nearly 5% of the population. For 268,000 people, that'd mean 13,400 arrests, or about 37 per day.
If he's claiming the arrest rate for Texas permit holders is 2.5 per day, it'd mean permit holders are doing much better (as in 12 times better) than the general population.
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That's a great quote. That book has been sitting on my shelf for far too long. I guess I need to pull it down and read it, finally. Or at least add it to the huge stack of reading material currently in progress on my bedside table.
The Brady Campaign spokesman says "We've gotta be reasonable here .... getting a concealed weapons permit just means you haven't committed a crime, yet."
My first-stab response to that would be asking what percentage of crimes are committed by those with clean (from a CCW-eligible perspective) rap sheets, and what percentage of crimes are committed by those who already have rap sheets that would prevent them from obtaining a CCW? I've a mind that it would be something like 20-80 or so.
I sincerely think you'll find it's closer to 1-99...and maybe not even one percent. I've seen some states figures but can't find them at the moment.
Every concealed carry training course I've seen or heard of impresses on the student the awesome responsibility of life-or-death that goes with carrying a deadly weapon...and only an idiot or severely retarded person, or one with malice aforethought, would willingly go to the police station, be photographed and fingerprinted, have a background check made, and bother to pay a fee for a permit if their intent was to commit a crime with a gun...
The arrogance of the Brady bunch in presuming that we are all criminals-to-be is absurd to the point of outrageousness.
And the fact that Sarah Brady and the others in her cabal are still walking the streets means that they haven't been convicted of drug trafficking or treason ... yet.
All earning a Law License means is that you haven't been disbarred YET.
All being elected Mayor of the City of Atlanta means is that you haven't been convicted of tax evasion YET.
This is fun.
Cops, no matter how much you revere/hate them, are just ordinary citizens...with a badge...a good knowledge of laws...and a gun.
Looks like they're just criminals in waiting huh?
>>>The Brady Campaign spokesman says "We've gotta be reasonable here .... getting a concealed weapons permit just means you haven't committed a crime, yet."
What pathetic logic. So, by extension, allowing men to appear in public places carrying the "equipment" (concealed, of course) to commit rape is not "reasonable"... it just means they haven't done that dirty deed...
...yet.
A lot of this springs from the ridiculous presumption that in order to be a racist you have to have power (read "be of the white ruling class").
If you are white, you are of the ruling class, therefore you are a racist.
If you have a gun, you have 'power', therefore you are a threat.
We can, I believe, look forward - shortly - to an entirely unintentional expression of the Brady's true agenda. When that happens, we must be ready to use what media outlets are available to us to proclaim and disseminate the invidious and totalitarian nature of their "common-sense-gun-control" argument. They are reeling and vulnerable right now, we must goad them into an admission of their true end game.
-John Wolfington
Well let the Brady campaign know that it doesn't really matter because none of the laws that they have passed have been enforced anyway.
What a bunch of douche-bags.......
Reminds me of a time, several years ago, when the concept of "date rape" was being rolled out. The feminists at some college papered the campus with "WANTED" posters, picturing a random sample of young men at the school,declaring them to be "potential rapists," presumably because they were already "armed" for the crime.
The women got into trouble over that; the Brady folks probably won't.
Cops, no matter how much you revere/hate them, are just ordinary citizens...with a badge...a good knowledge of laws...and a gun.
Looks like they're just criminals in waiting huh?
What do you mean "in waiting?"
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I, for one, find it offensive to be accused of being a latent criminal.
Especially by someone who favors policies that get honest people killed, favors policies that make life easier for actual criminals.
I can't but wonder what type personality would suspect such a thing in others. Are they saying they are more familiar with the criminal mind than the mind of peace-loving, law-abiding citizens? What kind of people does the Brady Campaign associate with that they think everybody is a criminal waiting to crime?
So, according to Mr. (Ms.?) Bice, I'm already a criminal for having a Georgia Firearms License, it's just a matter of time before I actually commit my chosen crime.
Wow.
Does that mean Sarah Brady is a prostitute that hasn't been caught yet, oops, wait bad example. of course she sells herself.
Does that mean the Brady Campaign is full of rapist and child molesters who just haven't been arrested yet? Oops again, they have been raping the constitution forever, perhaps they have all inclusive plans that they fear activating until fathers and mothers don't have the option of shooting their d**** off.
Some people have to remain vulnerable. Without victims, Brady goes away.
This is ridiculous. There agenda is as plain as day. We need to discredit them in the eyes of the populace and the media. At least they're doing a good enough job on their own.
Brady will always have victims - those poor scumbags that dare try and attack a CCW holder or armed citizen in their home - they'll cry on and on about how once the perp was a good little boy/girl gone bad at the first sight of a gun, and how we should have just "negotiated" with the madman/woman while ignoring the REAL cause of the problem.
That's what they always do.
Projection, I believe, is the term...These Brady blokes can imagine and believe that if they themselves had a gun in their car, the next time someone with a McCain bumper sticker cut them off in traffic there'd be blood...so they think everyone is that way.
Mr. Hardy: The debate is over GEORGIA's law, not Florida's.
This shouldn't come as much of a surprise at all, since the Brady types have shown this attitude in their demand of the NICS: a test which assumes we are criminals and dares us to we prove otherwise for each and every purchase.
Btw, does anyone know where Bice got that "2 1/2 times a day a Texas CCW holder is arrested" stat?
Is it something he misread or is misrepresenting, or did he pull it out of his little brown round file?
Next they'll be saying any gun owner is just someone who hasn't committed suicide or murder/suicide at home ... YET.
I will allow grudgingly that that's a good quote from Rand. I don't much like her, but there's truth in what that quote says, I'm loathe to admit.
This is typical debate style for the Brady bunch.
Throw out a few unsubstantiated and tainted "factoids" that support your argument and if they go unchallenged, you have planted an element of doubt in the "Casual observer." For example, the blanket statement that:
"Thousands of permits have been revokedfor violent crimes. . .," makes it sound like the permit holders are wholesale criminals.
"People shooting neighbors becasue they are too loud, Road rage incidents, sexual assaults homicides. . . " Again very prejudicial and he picks the worst of reasons, not the most likely reason someone would loose a permit. BUT it still sounds like (to the casual listener) "THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LOOSING THEIR WEAPONS PERMITS FOR ROAD RAGE INCIDENTS, SEXUAL ASSULTS. . ETC. "
What amazed me was that Steve Doocy did not do more to question any of this guys assertions. As the Georgia congressman was attempting to address these issues, his reply was cut short. (which is unlike Fox news. . )
Several years ago, Doug Weil appeared on one of the morning news shows and debated with John Lott. Dougie threw out several simular assertions including the mention of a couple of "shootings by permit holders" and listed two. One of which happened (IIRC) in Phoenix. I did some checking, got the police report and the man was defending himself. No charges were filed.
HOWEVER, Dougie made it look like a crazed citizen with a gun was opening up on people. I wrote and faxed a letter to their headquarters asking for more data on the shooting he referenced. No answer. . . I resent the letter AND refaxed the same. . response NONE. . .
They don't care that the information they are spouting in incorrect. It makes an impression on the uneducated observer and in typical liberal fashion, is predicated on evoking an emotional response. . . which it does Well.
The lesson is that when appearing on TV with these people pro firearm position people need to be well versed in firearm facts. The other side will always throw out conflicting facts in a way that confuse the average viewer.
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)