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More on LA Sheriff and CCW permits
I received from a reader a list of the 500 or so CCW permits that the sheriff of LA County has allowed. Just by way of experiment, I took the first name given for a holder in each municipality, and did a quick Google for them. Strangely, the occupations seem more associated with money and celebrity than with likely need for defense against crime:
Actor: 6
Producer: 3
Judge: 2
Private investigator: 2
Prosecutor: 1
Pvt atty: 1
Venture capitalist: 1
Musician: 1
Major business: 1
Nothing found: 4
Someone who researched the entire list says there are 135 issued to judges and 57 to attorneys (i.e., about 40% of the tota).
22 go to addresses in Beverly Hills, and 10 to Malibu which have virtually no murders, and other violence rates around half the national average. In Compton, which has a murder rate five times the national average, there are zero CCW permits. Same for Lynwood, which has nearly three times the national average murder rate. Basically, if you want a CCW permit in LA County, it's best to live in a wealthy area with a zero homicide rate.
UPDATE: the experience of one CCW applicant is in extended remarks below.
I work as a teacher in a maximum security lockdown detention facility for high-risk offenders being tried and/or sentenced as adults.
I have been physically attacked and filed a complaint numerous times.
I have been the victim of a PC 422--terrorist threat by one "kid" who threatened to come to my house and kill everyone in it.
I have been threatened more than once.
Do you s'pose I "need" a CCW?
I would certainly like one.
Do you s'pose I could get one?
Hell no.
What do you s'pose would happen if I applied but was denied?
My name would be flagged and if I ever applied for a permit anywhere in the country, that denial could be used against me to deny me again.
Baca is a crook (in my opinion) whom the NRA and others should be working to unseat and replace with pro-2nd-Amendment, shall-issue candidates--and there are such candidates.
In the 2006 election, ignored by the NRA, Baca was re-elected.
Baca ran against a former deputy of his, Ken Masse, who is pro-2nd-Amendment.
After the election, Baca had one of his underlings strip this 35-year veteran of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Dept. of his CCW.
Baca runs the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Dept. like he's a petty Third World dictator of a banana republic.
I know that I am not safer as a result of his policies.
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Deal with the NRA the same way the Montana State Shooters Association is. Start a state org, and issue your own letter grades, and start to get clubs on your side.
If the NRA keeps screwing up, threaten to walk away from them. Be ready to carry out that threat.
>>>What do you s'pose would happen if I applied but was denied?
My name would be flagged and if I ever applied for a permit anywhere in the country, that denial could be used against me to deny me again.
Is that accurate? A denial (for any reason, even if it's just the issuing authority's discretion) stays on the record and never gets expunged? I thought the destruction of these records (after something like 90 days or 6 months?) was something that there's been legislation over in the recent past...
Legislation? Why would a guy like Baca let a little legislation get in his way?
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Regarding the gentlemen not wanting to apply for a CCW because the agencies refusal would go on his record, it would seem the invalid reason for the refusal and the rejection being made in Calif. where most applications are rejected would be a part of the record. I don't believe that would be damaging. I have a CWP in Calif. having retired from the Calif Dept. Corrections, and now Rehabilitation has been added to the title as a parole agent. My permit is good until 2010. It has been difficult for no valid reason to obtain a permit in California. I also worked there as a probation officer, and after being threatened while investigating a domestic violence case was denied a concealed weapon permit because of the department's anti gun policy. This happened many years ago. My advice is to leave California and live in one of many states where they trust their law abiding citizens to have gun permits. I have been a resident of Colorado for sixteen years and currently have a concealed weapon permit issued by the Sheriff in the county that I live in.
While on a trip to LA in July of this year. I took the opportunity to ask LA Policemen what they thought of a more readily avialable CCW permit. I spoke with 5 different patrolmen, each said they would support a ccw law that would include the masses after a complete backgound check. One of the patrolman asked me if this was off the record? I told him it was and he seemed to be afraid to voice his opinion but did after knowing it was just a guy asking him a question not a reporter interviewing a street cop. One said it'd be a great idea as a badguy wouldn't know what was under your shirt/coat/or in a purse and may cause a bad guy a second thought. I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to carry after successfully completing a school and range instruction. No state has perfect CCW rules. It's just hard to believe that a state as big as California has so little trust in it's own citizens to allow them to protect themselves. They do however, have trust enough in the bad guys to know they are carrying so the law abiding citizen is either fearful, and maybe somewhat smarter than to go out at night or certain places any time of the day. Who is actually hindered by the lack of a reasonable ccw law? I can assure you it isn't the crook. Makes me wonder why the voters allow this to exist, unless they enjoy the fear in which they live.
The NRA won't bother to take on Baca. California has been "written off" by the NRA. How do I know that? Second hand from a California CCW carrying friend who was told that by the NRA-ILA in a phone call several months ago. Here in Santa Barbara County, the NRA-ILA sent a mailer (post card) out just before our most recent election for the position of Sheriff supporting one Bill Brown. Apparently he answered the NRA's questionnaire right, and he says he is an NRA life member. Funny thing is, after he was elected, he's now disapproving CCW permits at a near 100% rate. The NRA won't acknowledge a mistake when multiple local CCW permit holders contacted them. All we want is another mailing saying that Brown's grade has changed to D (or F if I had my way). NRA is stonewalling us.