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ABA vs, NRA on guns in parking lots
CBS News has the story. I can't see where the issue of whether employers can ban guns from parked cars is anything within ABA's particular sphere of interest. But then again, like most attorneys (and almost all small firm ones), I'm not a member.
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"Roughly 1,000 people are killed at work each year and guns are used in 80 percent of those incidents, the ABA says, citing federal estimates."
Does that include law enforcement officers? The claim is that 800 people each year are killed on the job by someone with a gun. Next question: how many of those were killed by COWORKERS as opposed to, for example, a clerk at a convenience store being killed by some low-life thug?
The data point offered by the article is meaningless and serves no purpose in furthering intelligent discourse on the subject.
But I suppose I should not expect intelligence, even reporting from CBS news.
This has all to do with eliminating liability for the employer and nothing to do with worker safety. Employer rules barring weapons assume that "disgruntled" employees will go through a thought process something like:
"I was going to murder all my co-workers, but there is a company rule against bringing a weapon to work, so I guess I won't."
Ludicrous. I like regugee's liability proposal, but it seems to me there have been attempts in the past to show liability for employer's when they don't protect employees and it didn't work.
I don't understand what dog the ABA has in this fight either, so maybe we should give them one: liability.
One of the main issues here is the conflict between the right of the people to keep and bear, and the right of property owners to set their own rules.
Fine. Let's stop talking rights, and start talking responsibility.
Sure, keep people from bringing their own protection onto your property. But if you do that, you are responsibility for their safety. If anybody you forbid to defend themselves is injured or killed, despite your security or because of its lack, they or their estate can sue your pants off--no liability limit. Of course, if they misuse their weapon, they're liable for damage to your facility or other staff or visitors.
Yippie! Lawsuits for everybody!
Oh, except for those who break the rules, bring in a weapon, and attempt to assault those within the facility. They are forbidden to sue for damages arising from the efforts of others to protect themselves.
Fair enough?