Heads up for Californians

"This task force is headed up by ATF..."

How the 'ell can the Feds be involved in a State ban enforcement?

Federal and California fascists, plain and simple. Where's the NRA in all of this and why are good people going to jail? Hmmmmmmm!!

Comments at AR15.com:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=483039

What to do?
a. Move out of California
B. get rid of the weapons (might as well get rid of everything if you go this way)
C. Go to Jail and fight the Law
D. Last by a LONG WAY - start shooting the SOB's that made this law (You will be caught, be prepared)

DO NOT shoot at the Cops (even if you shoot the SOB's) that does no good and will not help.

You can also try and elect better people but with California I don't think that will work.

DO NOT shoot at the Cops (even if you shoot the SOB's) that does no good and will not help.,/i.

It worked just fine at Lexington and Concord.

Thanks for the alert David! I've passed it along to help get the word out.

Kristopher is right - this sort of thing is going to get someone shot. Quite probably several someones. Do you think this is their intention? Would they really try to provoke an incident shortly before the elections even knowing it would almost certainly mean the deaths of several people?

Molon Labe!

Cops who participate in this are tyrant enablers and should get just what the tyrants should get: an early death.

Lessons from the UK and lessons from the 20th Century.

This could only get worse,just who might get into the whitehouse in 08

This could only get worse,just think who might get into the whitehouse in 08

LA County Gun Task Force Serving Search Warrants
LAPD & LASO Might Be Knocking On Your Door Next!

Does the word "might" modify "your door" or "be knocking?"

this sort of thing is going to get someone shot. Quite probably several someones. Do you think this is their intention? Would they really try to provoke an incident shortly before the elections even knowing it would almost certainly mean the deaths of several people?

Read the prologue to Matt Bracken's novel Enemies Foreign and Domestic at http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/excerpt1.htm

hell yes shoot the cops.....make them think twice about coming in that door to take away your guns GARANTEED TO YOU BY THE BILL OF RIGHTS!

You will probably go down in a hail of bullets but if you can take one with you....the others will think twice before knocking on the next door.....and so will the law makers!

Molon Labe!

One has to hit them back in the places that hurt them the most!!! Their pocket book!! Boycott any business owned by any official from State Senator down to mayor or city council member,and let it be known!Picket the city hall,state capital,post ads in the newspaper telling people not to shop at this business,you do not need to tell them why,just say they are unfair!!!But let them know!Hey they say untrue things about people running against them for office! But we would not want to say untruths so hint at things and their businesses,and big time when they run for office.This seems to be the way the liberals work! So whats good for the goose can be good for the gander.Live well,Live Large,strike first,aim for a main artery!

Yes the cops would do it, even thought The Nuremberg Tribunals established that "I was only following orders" is not a defense. You will always find a certain portion of the population that comes mentally arranged to be power-hungry bullies and sadists. These types seem to gravitate to jobs as prison guards and law enforcement. In 1930's Germany they went to the SS and Gestapo. In The Soviet USSR, they became NKVD and later KGB. Don't be suprised that the USA has these types.

Whatever you do I would suggest finding a reputable out of state gunshop that will be willing to store your rifles for a fee. Better to pay the storage fee than to go through arrest and trial, I would rather fight this from outside than inside.

Friggin political hags in California. take back the power. NEVER RE-ELECT ANY INCUMBENT. Always bring new blood in to the leadership, remove the whores!

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Remember the blood-bath in New Orleans when they started confiscating guns? Neither do I.

No one will stand up to this. No one will fight. No one will resist beyond saying "i'm calling my lawyer!".

Americans and Californians especially, are spineless whiners.

We are at the threshold of fascism.

Its all the fault of the people (sheep)who allow this to happen.If one man can control millions,Stalin,Hitler etc.why can't millions control their own destiny.You DUMB ASSES vote them in,Boxer,Feinstein,Shumer & Kennedy& Mc Cain .I threw the Left Coast Liberals in because my Jewish California Lefty friend said I was predjudice & that liberals are not anti gun,!B.S.May you A.. Holes have a 9.0 quake to wake you up.

Any state or municipality that continually votes into office, people who will take away your Liberty and abuse your Rights, deserve what they vote into office. If you don't like it, treat them as domestic terrorists. Remove their income sources, accuse them publicly of exactly what they are, and show up at the voting booth, next election, with the votes required to get the job done. Oh, and by the way, Liberals are antigun! Who else but an angry bunch of "armed" citizens can force Liberals out of power. They know this and that's what frightens them. But votes are easier and better. Just do to them "before" they do unto you!

I think anyone who is so moved should write letters,e-mail,ect.to the prosecuter.ATF and all those involved and let them know how you feel.

Letters won't do anything but put you on someone's list. If you are on someones list and they come, doesn't matter if you are legal, they'll plant something. Shooting won't do anything but get you killed. If voting doesn't work, eventually that leaves the civil militia.

We/they are going to have the same problem, maybe worse in Chicago. The govenor is rabidly anti-gun
and one of his minons just proposed, in a legislative hearing no less, "house to house" seaches for all firearms.

This just got reposted on http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/
the only ISP that helps defend your right to hunt fish and own a gun! All you that use any other ISP you are just feeding the enemy. Same principle applies to every purchase. Imagine what would happen if ten million taxpayers decided to be NON payers of their taxes!

Maybe it's time some of you get together and knock on some doors at 2 or 3 in the morning

Keep in mind, BATF was a primary agency at Waco, too, and Ruby Ridge. I saw things on the very early morning news that never appeared afterwards because those force covered things up that their people did.

By Edward Zehr of Wachington weekly comments on
"a relationship between Waco and the slaughter that took place at Ruby Ridge, where a mother was shot to death by an FBI sniper in her own home while holding a baby in her arms. The incident was shrugged off by the agency as a minor, somewhat unfortunate "accident." But now we are told that the FBI commander at Waco, Richard Rogers, was also in command at Ruby Ridge. And the FBI's paid assassin, Lon Horiuchi, was there as well."

Some BATF are p poor shots too--spraying a next target over with shots at a police firing range--and incidentally just happening to pick up a very expensive pair of sunglasses belonging to a office shooting next to him. I don't find anything admirable about them or the FBI which sits on and hogs real terrorist intel because another agency might get the credit, rather than keep the dang jihadists out of the planes.

And I hope his appeal goes to the USSC because that's the only hope we Californians have to get rid of the CA AWB.

If you own a gun VOTE. Probley 90% of your state are gun owners. Thats a lot of vots.
Look at all that POWDER

Dont set idle by thinking it will not happen! It is happening, Vote there assses out of office, boycott anything thay have to do with, move your firearms to keep them from getting taken, above all support any agency that fights for our constitutional rights, as well as the Bill of Rights which is there ONLY to protect us from them!

K.Harre,The Mechanic,and Steve All seem to have the right idea's on how this works and what is happening,so do the rest just some are alittle to radical and would just get those who did those things plastered on the front page as such right after they were shot in a raid.Which would only hurt the rest of us. You have to do it the right way,the way our fore fathers set it up for us but to do it right you have to stick together,there is power in numbers,support the organizations that fight for your rights!Vote out those who try to turn us into sheep!Spend your money with those who support your rights such as your Internet service provider =Outdoors Unlimited.Recruit those votes needed,find the businesses that support the other side and boycott them,get others to follow suit,let them know why they are being boycotted and how much money they are losing.A thousand people not spending money in a business for a week makes a strong impression.Last to S.D Elmes not all of us are as you described us.Most of us want to help and protect,there is always those in every field who abuse their power and there are always going to be bad eggs in anything!But there are alot of us who will not take orders to disarm legal citizens.I can however not speak for the younger generation that seems to follow orders like robots! Thor

This is with our "friends" the Republicans in the White House and the CA Governor's Office. All the Democrats and Replublicans care about is their own power. Time to link up with the Libertarians, they still respect the Constitution and personal liberty.

Agreed. If the gun voters don't start helping Libertarian candidates (not just at the polls, but with their campaigns) then we have no hope as a nation. The major parties are far too corrupt.

My local Libertarian party is growing in strength and numbers, and I can't remember the last time we had a meeting where the casual chatter among friends didn't extensively involve firearms.

I used to think I was a Republican, but I've found my political home.

Also, it doesn't mean you can't vote for and help good pro-gun candidates when you find them. By all means do so and vote how you please, but let them know that they will have to work for and earn your vote as a Libertarian.

We've seen far too many broken promises to continue wasting our votes on Republicrats.

Some of the trapshooters at the URL provided do not believe police door-to-door confiscations of firearms are happening. Can anyone substantiate this?

I am so glad I never enertained the thought of moving to the communist state of "Kaliforunia" F the sperminator Governor and fuck the assholes that are stepping on our rights. I just wish i'd win the lottery, i'd be on the 1st plane out of this facist haven on my way to s. Amerika. F the @tf, f the f8I and f our piece of shit mentally retarded president

While semi-automatic hunting rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.

Assault weapons are also designed for rapid-fire and many come equipped with large ammunition magazines allowing 50 more bullets to be fired without reloading. So there is a good reason why these features on high-powered weapons should frighten the public.

Semi-automatic firearms fire as rapidly as you can twitch your finger. This means that a semi-automatic fires a little more slowly than an automatic, but not much more slowly. When San Jose, California police test-fired an UZI, a 30-round magazine was emptied in slightly less than two seconds on full automatic while the same magazine was emptied in just five seconds on semi-automatic.

Even with the success of the ban, assault weapons still pose a threat to the safety of all Americans, and particularly to law enforcement officers. Tens of thousands of "grandfathered" assault weapons are still in circulation, and thousands more will go into circulation if the ban is not renewed and gun manufacturers begin producing and selling them again. As one leading law enforcement executive put it, the weapons banned by the 1994 law are nothing more than "cop-killer guns."

Wow! when i think of communist's ,and antigun liberials who just can't cope with or reason in real life!Who never heard of you can't reason with a rabid wolf! A pack of wolves will attack a lone deer who looks helpless! insert a woman but arm that woman with a 38 revolver and the wolves will look for easier prey.Such is Life in all walks! I think of the liberials in charge in Ca. Now i include Tamara and the Sarah brady (we can only wonder if it is the real S.B.)
20 wolves armed with clubs ,bow&arrows,knives,can still kill one woman armed with a politically correct single shot rifle,give the woman a rifle that shoots 10 times with a extra mag or one 30 round mag and she will most likely kill or run the wolves off.
Taking away firearms or access by legal citizens only helps criminals! just like wolves they prefer helpless prey! Thor

Thor,

It is extremely important to understand the NRA's motivation for advocating these laws - the NRA is a special interest group whose primary goal is to increase gun ownership in America. The NRA no longer disguises the fact that they are an advocacy group for the gun industry. In response to questions about the new, more deadly ultracompact guns that have appeared on the market, Tanya Metaksa, chief lobbyist for the NRA, crowed that: "The gun industry should send me a basket of fruit - our efforts have created a new market." Laws that make it easier to carry concealed weapons are legislative sales tools for the gun industry and their loudest cheerleader, the NRA. In fact, gun sellers view these laws as excellent marketing tools. According to the Vice President of Marketing for Interarms, the effort to weaken CCW laws is the "most important star on the horizon."

Former National Rifle Association President Tom Washington was often quoted as saying: "an armed society is a polite society." If this were the case, the United States would be the most polite society on earth. Already there are over 222 million privately-owned firearms in the country, and we are by no means the safest nation on earth. In 1994, 38,505 Americans were killed by firearms - in homicides, suicides and accidents. Between 1987 and 1994, the rate for non-handgun murders declined by 11%, while the rate of handgun homicides increased by 52%. 1.1 million violent crimes were committed with handguns in 1993. Recently, the extraordinary benefits of reasonable gun control laws like the Brady Law, the Federal ban on assault weapons, and certain state laws have started to emerge. Crime with guns is just now falling faster than the overall crime rate. It is vital that we continue to move forward in our fight against gun violence in America.

Sarah

dear Sarah, I in no way want to offend you as i prefer to be a gentleman! But the term an armed society is a polite society in my opinion works!
example/ the Swiss every man and woman in that country is armed its required! crime almost non existant! what little crime that is done there! is committed,the swiss report by tourists!
I find your statistics totally inaccurate!
99% of firearm deaths as you said are from crime!
Done with stolen firearms! whether they had firearms to commit the crimes with or not would not have stopped them from commiting the crimes!
and most of these deaths were directly related to drugs (between drug dealers and users or users trying to aquire funds for said drugs)There are more deaths by patients dying in surgery than accidental death by firearms!Removing firearms from legal citizens will not remove crime it merely leaves those citizens at the mercy of the wolf pack!More and more women have begun to realize this that is why they have begun to arm themselves and learn to use firearms! The crime rate did not go down at all during the years of the so-called assault weapon ban but i notice since more states have allowed carry permits it has fallen.I do not look at the world through ruby lensed glasses,there is alot of good people out there,but there are monsters as well! Man since time began has had to defend himself and family from those who would rob and kill ,there can be no way that we can each have a police officer with us 24 hours of each day nor would i even want that as it would be called a police state!
If the laws were tough enough to make the criminal think about it then murder would slow down until the punishment fits the crime murder will continue no matter what the weapon!! Having the weapons to defend yourself may save your life or someone else.I might add nothing is ever said about how many lives are saved by firearms each year! By law abidding citizens with legal firearms!!! The mere sight of or knowledge that someone is armed has deterred thousands of crimes that can not be reported as they did not happen merely by the possession of a firearm.This is the same concept of having an alarm system for ones house and making it hard to break into a criminal wants an easy target (easy victim)if it looks to hard and he could be caught or injured maybe killed he looks for another easier victim (target) I'm sure i could argue this with you and your compatriots forever and never change your outlook,some are doomed to live that way! I however have seen the world for what it is and reality sank in! I will never give up my right to own a firearm of my own free will and pray to GOD that i'm never disarmed and left to the mercy of the wolves by those who think they know whats good for the rest of the world! If you should be the real Sarah Brady,i'm truly sorry for what happened to your husband but that incident should have shown you that even with police protection the monsters got through! Think whats its like for those who do not have any protection other than their firearm if the power is off,the phone line has been cut or you are just to far away for help to get there in time and the monsters are breaking down your bedroom door while you are huddled with your 3 yearold daughter behind the bed and the one thing that saved them was the fact that the mother was armed and knew how to use her pistol!!! Thor

Thor,

In order to stem the flow of handgun violence, America needs a national system of handgun owner licensing. Handguns should be treated like cars in that owners would be licensed and handguns would be registered. Congress would establish minimum standards for the licensing system, which would be implemented by the states. Without a national system, gun traffickers will continue to make mass purchases of handguns in states with weak laws and sell them into the illegal market across the country. Minimum national standards will help to stop interstate gun trafficking and ensure that everyone who buys a handgun in this country is qualified to own one.

Licensing and registration - on a nationwide basis - are needed to curb the trafficking in guns that is responsible for the easy availability of guns on the streets of our nation.

Licensing and registration will also provide law enforcement with the means to prevent individuals like Mark Barton (the day-trader who shot and killed 12 people in Atlanta, GA in 1999) and Buford Furrow (the neo-Nazi who killed a Filipino postman and shot 5 people at a Jewish daycare center in Los Angeles, CA in 1999) from obtaining guns. Both of these individuals had been diagnosed as mentally disturbed and dangerous. Had a licensing and registration system been in place, the police would have known if they possessed any firearms already and their licenses could have been revoked, preventing them from buying any other firearms. State licensing and registration requirements are already valuable law enforcement tools in the states where they exist and serve to reduce gun violence, but the effectiveness of existing laws is undermined by the lack of a national policy.

Sarah

Lord save us from those who think they know whats best for all the rest!
I respect you Sarah,i really do! Your commitment to your cause shows you could do great things,If it was used to feed the children of the world or build homes for the homeless,perhaps find ways to stop global warming. the fact remains! We have hundreds of firearm laws on the books already! Very few of them do much to curb crime!
They are only for the legal citizen,criminals will not obey them anyway! As for the national handgun licensing system you would impose upon us.
1.We already have a system by which anyone who buys a handgun legally has a background check done on them,This is a FBI check and is national then in turn another is done when they obtain a permit for said firearm!
2. Anyone with serious mental problems is already denied the purchase of firearms.
3.It is already ilegal to purchase a firearm for someone else a. in your state or b.for someone in another state c. to transport it to another state for resale. It is called straw purchases.
There will always be those who obtain whatever they need to commit crime and they will use whatever is at hand to commit it! What you suggest will only hamper the legal ownership of citizens who otherwise would be able to defend themselves from the predators! My experience with those of you who would pass such laws leaves me with the doubt that anyone would be able to obtain a handgun to protect themselves with at all. I could foresee those trying to aquire a handgun to protect themselves from a true insane person only to find that they were denied because they have been to a required visit to the company psychologist and it showed up that he attended a shrink! or the doctor did not like him and thought he was a little too angry about his neighbor throwing leaves into his yard and then not having a handgun to protect himself and family and they become the victims on a mass homicide by the real insane guy armed with an axe!! I can see in the near future almost no one obtaining a handgun because they can't pass the test or it becomes so long and drawn out that it could be years before you are allowed if ever to obtain.Your system would never work criminals will continue to do what they will until they know they will not get away with it.People who take drugs would pass the psycholists test! But commit most of the crimes!
Most crimes of passion are spur of the moment by sane people who would pass your test.
No i see exactly what you truly want and that is the removal in the long run of all firearms from the hands of citizens! leaving easy prey for the wolves and there is enough of them! Why because you are too busy trying to pass laws to disarm the legal citizens of this country under the disguise of its for the good of all instead of doing the right thing and removing these monsters from our society with laws that mean something such as swift death for murderers and not leaving them on death row for 15 years or letting rapists out after a couple of years who go back and commit the same crime again,those who rape children are put back on the streets to commit their horrors all over again.A good friend of mine years ago was raped ,beaten and left tied ,naked on the railroad tracks just like in the movies to die at the age of 17 she was a cheerleader who was kidnapped in the school parking lot.A railroad worker thankfully found her in time. The rapist was caught driving her vehicle,HE was a repeat offender!!!He was caught by his second victim's brother as he tried to kidnap her! The victim had his pistol on him and held him till police arrived!
My own mother who lives alone she has cancer,but wants to live in her own house alone until she is no longer able was awakened one nite a few years ago by someone trying to force the door open,she tried to call police only to find her phone dead,he had cut the phone line,she lives to far away from the next house for them to her her scream and she had forgotten to put her cell phone on charge,the battery was dead! She screamed but he kept prying the door open,she then opened the drawer on her nite stand and pulled the small 32 pistol i had left for her,she fired on shot into the ceiling above door! Then guy ran away she put her cell phone on charge and called me! If she had not had a handgun to protect herself! what would have happened?? No your type of logic escapes me!
You feel like its your duty and its for the good of all but in the long run you will just leave us helpless tied and bound for the wolves!
Thor

TO MRS. BRADY IAM A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER MY PARTNER WAS KILLED SEPT. 26 1996 BY A PERSON WHO WAS A REGISTERED MENTALLY ILL INDIVIDUAL WHO LEGALLY OPTAINED HIS GUN UNDER THE USELESS BRADY BILL HE WALKED INTO A GUN SHOP AND PURCHASED IT I TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THE SHOP AFTER THE INCIDENT HE SHOWED ME THE PAPER WORK WHERE THE BACK GROUND CHECK WAS MADE AND PASSED BY THE F.B.I. THIS WAS IN JULY OF 96 THIS PERSON THEN WALKS IN THE COURT HOUSE WHERE MY PARTNER WAS STANDING NEAR THE METAL DETECTOR AND PULLED OUT HIS GUN SHOT MY PARTNER MY FRIEND WHO I LOVED LIKE A BROTHER IN THE HEAD THEN TURNED TOWARDS A NOTHER POLICE OFFICER SHOT HIM WOUNDING HIM THEN TURNED HIS GUN TO SHOOT ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER BUT THANK GOD THIS OFFICER WHO SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND SHOT HIM FRIST KILLING HIM HE FELL NEXT TO MY PARTNER ON THE FLOOR OF THAT COURTHOUSE SO DON'T TELL ME WE NEED MORE GUN LAWS THE ONE YOU SO HAPPILY GOT PASSED DID NOTHING TO SAVE MY FRIEND IF WE INFORCED THE ONES WE HAVE WOULD BE NICE INSTEAD OF GOD DAMM LAWYERS AND JUDGES PLEAING THE CASE DOWN TO NOTHING AND THE BAD GUYS WALK AWAY AND ON A NOTHER NOTE IN 22 YEARS OF WORKING THE STREETS THE ONLY MACHINE GUNS I EVER RAN INTO WERE STOLEN FORM THE ATF WHO LEFT THEM IN THE TRUNK OF A CAR PARKED AT A MOTEL WHERE THE AGENT WAS STAYING WHEN WE ASK HIM WHY HE DID NOT TAKE THIM TO HIS ROOM WITH HIM HE COULD NOT ANSWER THAT BUT TOLD US HE WAS THE ATF AND DID NOT HAVE TO ANSWER TO US BUT IT WAS US THAT RECOVERED THEM IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS AND MADE 4 ARRESTS THEY WERE JUVENILES WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD HAVE THEM GO ON THE GUN CHARGES BECAUSE THE U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WHO AT THE TIME WAS JANET RENO UNDER ORDERS FROM THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION NOT TO PROSECUTE BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK JUVENILE'S SO WE COULD NOT CHARGE THEM WITH THE THIEFT WITHOUT THE GUN'S AS EVIDENCE SO WE DID NOT HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH CAES SO THE D.A.'S OFFICE WOULD NOT PURSUE IT .

Well there you have it! even police officers think more gun laws are not needed! Assault rifles by the way may have large magazines but they were not designed to be spray fired or designed to be fired from the hip! The reciever action design is exactly the same as any semi-auto hunting rifle (it operates the same)and adding a large magazine to the hunting rifle gives it the same abilities!The large magazine was designed to allow someone to fire without reloading if needed,assault rifles are made to be fired from the shoulder just as any other rifle,the spray and pray concept from the hip will only win against aimed fire if the shooter is just real lucky.99% of the time aimed fire will win. Therefore banning the assault rifle will in effect ban your favorite semi auto hunting or target rifle.Most states that i'm aware of have the magazine limited to no more than five rounds,some ten for hunting. Having fired semi-auto weapons and several submachine guns i can in no way see how a semi auto could hold up to a full auto,true a semi-auto can be fired rather fast but its real hard from the hip!
Rather stupid if you ask me!After hurricane Katrina alot of lives were saved by the so-called assault rifles and firearms in general as police were unable to respond there was not even a way to call them and bands of looters roamed the streets of New Orleans all the way to down the Gulf coast thru Ms to Mobile. Pickup trucks loaded with looters breaking in on people with no power or phones!Many unarmed citizens were killed,alot raped and then brutally murdered,more than you will see on the news and alot that we may never know about.But quite afew were stopped just by the fact that there was alot of armed citizens . I know for a fact one neighborhood formed a patrol and looters steered clear of it.In times of severe need the responsibitly of defending your life falls on no one but yourself! Letting those who think they know whats good for you take your rights away,the right to self protection is like handing your money to a drug addict who you dont know and saying please go pay my power bill for me if you don't my power will be turned off and the machine i'm hooked to will go off and i'll dieeee! The right to have self protection is the same as the right to breathe air,fight for it!
note:Mark D may live in another state now but has always been like a brother to me,his partner who fell that day I also knew!! Thor