CBS News on ATF letting guns go to Mexico
Video here. Complete with an agent, still on the job, who talks about it. (That takes serious cojones -- I mean, he has to go into the office tomorrow, with the same supervisor that he's talking about, who now regard him as a "snitch," to be ruined).
They're talking thousands of guns that only got to Mexico because ATF supervisors said let them go. Superiors telling agents who complained that this is "fun" and they can go out and find a different job if they don't like it.
What is the goal of all this? For all intents and purposes, the U.S. government is knowingly allowing rebellion forces to arm themselves against one of our strongest allies. Our ally wants it stopped, the people selling the guns (for the most part as I can tell) want it stopped. Why is our government actively working to subvert a sovereign nation that we have a very strong trading relationship with? I am a strong supporter of the right to purchase arms but I do not want guns to be purchased by known criminals. Even as a sting, guns are different than drugs. This defies logic! Any ideas?
Posted by: Daniel at March 4, 2011 10:39 AM
This is criminal negligence, as well as a violation of federal and state laws. If *ANYONE* did this in the private sector, they'd be vilified in the media, arrested, tarred and feathered, have civil judgments against them in the sums of hundreds of millions of dollars, and thrown in jail with the key conveniently flushed down the toilet.
The management in the BATFE related to this program needs to just go to jail. The agency itself needs to be disbanded.
Thanks to whisleblowers for coming forward. Now we need to make sure this doesn't get swept under the rug.
To answer Daniel's, "Why did it happen?" Quite honestly, this is a combination of many things. Firstly entitlement issues with BATFE management. No one who is concerned about lives acts this callously. Secondly, responsibility and oversight. There is none, because if there was, this wouldn't have happened. Thirdly, the quest for power and glory. BATFE management wanted to bust a cartel and be on TV in order that their careers would advance and their agency would be allocated more money. Look at WACO. These guys don't learn and they need to not exist. And last but not least, and the most intolerable, they are willing to shred the Second Amendment, vilify the weapons and how we shouldn't have them here in the US, enact findings to harass law abiding citizens exercising their rights and place blame on those very people / firearms, all the while the BATFE is causing the issue.
End the BATFE. Those who allowed this to happen have committed various federal and state felonies, and should be treated accordingly.
Posted by: Cory Brickner at March 4, 2011 01:41 PM
1. Mexico is destabilized
2. Drug Cartels have defacto control on their side of the border. (Already there)
3. Drug Cartels take defacto control of our side of the border. (They are in the process)
4. Fighting becomes rampant along the border between Cartels, US Law Enforcement, US citizens.
5. To control the border Strong measures have to be taken because the area is out of control.
6. No Gun zone is established along the border so that Law enforcement both Fed and Local can tell the Good guys(unarmed) from the bad guys (armed)
7. Massive expansion of Federal Law enforcement.
8. More Federal control over this area because States can't handle it.
9. This doesn't work (Suprise) so the No gun zone and Federal Control zone must be expanded.
Repeat 7 thru 9 until the Feds control everything.
Posted by: Dan Hamilton at March 4, 2011 03:12 PM
The odds of being able to tie the upper level cartel bosses to individual guns bought in bulk in an exercise like this are nil...The druglords carry silver and gold plated, engraved, carved and gem-studded firearms in "non-military" calibers to avoid running afoul of Mexican gun possession laws...
Not to mention that these guns are going to be around in the drug underground for years to come and may change hands/gangs/cartels a dozen times, leaving no chain of evidence to any higher ups...
This effort was about as well thought out as Pelosi's sttement on Obamacare..."we have to pass it to find out what's in it..."
Obama's administratively incompetent/inexperienced himself, and a liberal ideologue, so it should not come as a surprise that the cronies on his staff who vetted the Justice and ATF appointees and who select/approve internal promotions in those agencies, and the people they promote, are incompetent ideologues...
The free world is led by an immature amateur who hates the free market...is it time to start impeachment proceedings yet?
Posted by: kalashnikat at March 4, 2011 04:45 PM
I'd bet cash money Sen. Grassley turns this into a corruption investigation.
Posted by: Jim D. at March 4, 2011 06:50 PM
"I'd bet cash money Sen. Grassley turns this into a corruption investigation"
You have to be kidding.
Please remember Waco. The ATF and FBI got away scott free. The people that lied and killed people including children and nothing happened.
You think this time will be any different?
Posted by: Dan Hamilton at March 5, 2011 03:51 PM
Why, yes I do. I think a nice little corruption investigation this summer will be quite entertaining and incredibly adverse to the Libs.
Posted by: Jim D. at March 7, 2011 08:57 PM