Chicago's handgun ban
Chicago's attempt at banning handguns makes that of DC look like a success.
Of course to the city government that's just proof that if there was more regulation of private firearms, it'd work even better. I recall once reading an advocate of Prohibition, after its repeal, still arguing that it would have work if just there had really been a complete ban on alcohol. I forget now what the exceptions were (all tightly regulated), I know there was one for religious services, may have been others for medical use or industrial uses. The author was convinced that these kept the "idea" of alcohol alive and if they'd just have been cut off then the Great Experiment would have succeeded. Sure, Al Capone would have felt a moral duty to straighten out.
Yes, this weekend has been a mad-house. Some communities have simply spun out of control. The people living there only seem to do two things....cry for help and blame the system.
The system, it seems, can only do one thing - urge for yet more gun control as if this time, if it were just more strict, it would work.
Posted by: Carl in Chicago at April 20, 2008 07:15 PM
Gonna be a long hot summer in the windy city.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at April 20, 2008 07:38 PM
I don't think a complete ban on Guns and Alcohol would have stopped Big Al Capone.
Posted by: Tom at April 20, 2008 08:31 PM
Is someone finally going to say the obvious? The police in Chicago have failed to keep the peace. Failed. Not for all their numbers and obvious presence in the city (I've been numerous times). Time for the people to step up for their own safety - the guberment ain't doin' the job. Another law, a stricter gun ban won't fix this.
Posted by: RKV at April 21, 2008 06:45 AM
37 shot, 2 stabbed, 7 dead. All on a single weekend in the Windy City [a police state city that bans guns].
Posted by: 30yearProf at April 21, 2008 10:03 AM
Anybody got any figures on how many of those shootings were fully gang-related/drug related (with gang or drug involvement on both sides) and how many were gang or drug involved (the perpetrator attacking an innocent party for gang-related or drug related reasons? Take those incidents out of the picture and how many shootings would you have had this weekend? I'm betting fewer than five, and would not be surprised if it was down around two.
Posted by: doug in colorado at April 21, 2008 02:16 PM
Here is my response to a similar comment in the Chicago Trib:
Chicago requires annual registration of long guns (rifles and shotguns) and completely bans handguns. These restrictions of course only affect those that abide the law. In addition, "scary looking" (but no more dangerous) rifles like AKs and ARs are banned in the city, and in the entire county. Finally, one has to possess a FOID card to possess any firearm or ammo. To get a FOID card one must undergo criminal and mental backgroud checks. And all this, on top of the other myriad laws broken anytime there is a gang shooting in the city (at least any shooting outside of justifiable home defense).
The news said that of the shootings just this weekend:
- "Nearly all" were gang-related
- 77% of victims had criminal backgrounds
- 97% of the perpetrators had criminal backgrounds
Ninety-seven percent. That's effectively "all of them." Think of that - effectively ALL of these shooters have prior arrest records. Anyone wonder why they are let back out on the street? Anyone want to guess what we could change to reduce this violence? Hint - it's ain't gun control, it's criminal control.
All the weapons save perhaps the knives used in the stabbings were already illegal, many times over. I don't understand the logic that making guns even MORE illegal would do anything except infringe our right to bear arms and allow anti-defense bigots a few days of glee.
So far, I like the new Police Chief Jody Weis - he seems to be a no-nonsense guy, a stright talker. But now he's beginning to carry Daley's banner of failure, saying we need more gun laws to stop the violence, and stroking the "assault weapon" straw man. I honestly don't think he really believes that - I believe very few cops actually believe that - and I think they support more gun laws only for reasons of political expediency. As long as they continue the "more gun laws mantra", the ignorant and helpless people of Chicago will be fooled into thinking they are working for a solution.
It's too bad to see the new chief go down this same tired and failed road, only because it's consistent with the political positions of his arguably corrupt boss and his allies. Daley and Weis "enjoy" the strictest gun control laws in the nation, yet this madness of violence continues. Gun control doesn't work. Go figure.
Posted by: Carl in Chicago at April 21, 2008 03:29 PM
Yes you got it right,you need criminal control,not more gun control,but as long as the people of chicago keep voting these elitist lefty loonies in office,they are going to keep crying for more gun control,while people like Daley who have the police protecting him and his family 24hr 7days a week and gov Blago has the state police for his protection,you even have chicago alderman able to get a concealed weapons permit,while law abiding citizens are left to fend for themselves,the democratic machine have some of the most corrupt politicians i have ever seen.
Posted by: BEN H. at May 24, 2008 01:35 AM
Hand guns ban in Chicago is totally unconstitutional and it punished law abiding citizens. All it does is encourages people not to register your guns legally.Criminals have no problems getting and shooting guns in Chicago. All 50 aldermen have concealed permits and can purchase any type of guns they want....talking about the kettle calling the pot black. Politicians in Chicago is so corrupt i'm thinking of moving soon.
Posted by: Donovan at May 28, 2008 11:40 AM
you all are stupid idiots..when you or a loved become victims from firearms. you will wish there were tougher handgun laws!!!! majority of people killed or shot are not the intended targets. lets have a bunch of gun touting idiots that have no idea how to shoot a gun!!!! great idea!!
Posted by: adam at June 27, 2008 01:56 AM
All the gun laws in the world are not going to take away the guns from criminal hands, use your brain for god sake!!
From personal experience I know the CPD are completly inept and some downright corrupt and I really cringe at the thought of letting them be the sole guardians of my safety.
What was the last time you saw some gang retard walk into a gunstore and buy a handgun LEGALLY?
Chicago has a ban on stun guns too which is so incredibly ridiculous.
The gun control is something King of corruption daley and his cronies lobby for as their battle standard for crime while squeezing every penny from Chicago.
Posted by: Blah at June 29, 2008 04:01 AM
If you think tougher gun control is going to stop gun crime, you are dead wrong. Why does Chicago ban handguns and yet have the highest amount and rate of violent crime in the country? Don't say the increased crime is all posession of illegal handguns, because it is not. Tell me how it is fair that only police who take minutes to arrive when seconds mean the difference between your life and victimization, are able to have efficient self defensive tools while all the law abiding citizens should be left to fend for themselves. Criminals are not going to give up their guns no matter what gun control laws are passed because they break laws, thats what they do. Stop blaming the problems of violent crime in society on inanimate objects(the guns), stop disarming law abiding citizens who are the only ones disarmed by tough gun control laws, and start focusing on the illegal gun trade (black market) if you want to prevent violent crime.
Posted by: Zack at September 18, 2008 02:19 PM
this is the beginning of the end for gun owners, i own 2 38 speacials, and one 9 mm, i own them legally, i have a freind in chicago, here sons father is doing time for killing a guy for stopping from harming here and her child, the guy had the gun pulled on the girl and chils, he shot the villan in the head killing him, now he is pulling time, we would have done the same, jimmy morgan london ky, usa
Posted by: jimmy morgan at July 16, 2009 01:29 PM
States make the laws not cities.How stupid are the people in Illinois,The Communist in Illinois,specifically Chicago responsible for attempted usurpation of rights should be hung for Capitol felony treason under U.S.C 18 sec 2381.TREASON
Posted by: Rich Rowland at October 5, 2009 01:19 AM
So why is that places like Illinois and California where they have the most strict gun control laws and the most crime than any other state? This shows how stupid are leaders are and also the type of people that live in the community!
Posted by: John Doe at March 24, 2010 09:31 AM
To Donovan - your statement "you all are stupid idiots..when you or a loved become victims from firearms. you will wish there were tougher handgun laws!!!! " is totally ridiculous. Yeah, if I need to defend myself or my wife, thank goodness that I don't have a gun because of tougher handgun laws! Just let the bad guys have them. Who's the idiot now? Please tell me how any gun law will keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. It won't. All it will do is keep law abiding citizens from owning one. If you don't want to protect yourself or a loved one, fine. But don't you tell me that I don't have that right. Also, if you do a little research you will find that states (and other countries for that matter) that allow citizens to own guns have a reduced crime rate. States that have very strict laws (or ban them altogether) have a higher crime rate. So your rantings and ravings don't make sense if you really care about defending yourself or a loved one. Also, your statement "majority of people killed or shot are not the intended targets." is simply not true. Guns actually save a lot more lives than gun deaths caused by accident. But I guess you don't want to hear the facts because it doesn't agree with your agenda.
Posted by: Lucky Pup at July 2, 2010 06:32 PM