DHS must really need ammo
It's requesting bids to sell it over 21 million rounds of handgun ammo. 100 lots of 100,000 rounds of .40, the same of 9mm in 115 gr. hollow point, and 40 lots of 40,000 9mm ball.
Update: I think the units are counted two ways. It looks to me like the order is for lots of 100,000, but the price is requested as per 1,000. This is of course just one order. I doubt DHS is up to anything nefarious, to me this is more an indication of how enormous the Federal law enforcement establishment has become, that it thinks in terms of tens of millions of rounds just to keep in practice for a while. If you look back to, oh, the late 1960s, the Federal LE establishment was quite tiny. In Federal courts, tax evasion cases made up the majority of prosecutions. When I started in practice, Tucson had I think two Federal judges and one magistrate, and with this being on the border, it probably had much more Federal activity than would most courts.
Or to keep the maunfacturers busy making ammo for them so it's not available to civilians....
Posted by: Mike B at February 7, 2013 11:08 AM
The destination is listed as "Arteia" New Mexico. I think that's probably supposed to be Artesia, NM - the location of the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Practice makes perfect and all that...
Posted by: Michael at February 7, 2013 11:24 AM
I think this is a very ominous sign. This is what amounts to a Federal Police Agency purchasing huge amounts ammo. Let's not forget about the 7.62 and 5.56 NATO rifle request bids last year. These guys are preparing for war against the civilian population. There is nothing else you can say about it.
How many DHS employees carry service handguns or rifles? And how many rounds per employee is that?
Posted by: Cory Brickner at February 7, 2013 11:28 AM
Just think of all the surplus ammo that will become available in a few years!
Posted by: Tom at February 7, 2013 12:19 PM
Isn't this document a solicitation of bids? It's not a purchase order, it just locks the winner of the bid into a price for that amount of rounds.
That's what I'm seeing anyway.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: SWC at February 7, 2013 12:31 PM
SWC, no - this is a request for a bid on that much ammunition, delivery to take place within 30 days of the award. They do IDIQ contacts sometimes, but this isn't one of them.
I also note that they really botched the "subcategory" or "Service Description" stuff - "30mm to 75mm" and in one place "75 up to 125mm"..:-)
Posted by: Hartley at February 7, 2013 04:13 PM
Just take a look at all the DHS raids against civilians recently, and you'll get a pretty good idea what's underway.... and it ain't over!
Posted by: Ike at February 7, 2013 07:32 PM
What I find interesting is that the DHS evidently doesn't have to comply with the Geneva Convention rules for use of "ball" ammo for shooting people. Hollow points are infinitely more destructive.
Posted by: Jim Lay at February 8, 2013 05:32 AM
I'm not sure these numbers are anything to get worked up about. A quick search indicates 230K DHS employees. If we assume, for the sake of argument, that 1/4 of the employees carry pistols, that's only 365 rounds per weapon - enough for a couple day's practice. If we assume 10%, that's still only 913/pistol.
That's not to say there aren't any OTHER worrisome signs, just that this one doesn't look like one.
Posted by: alanstorm at February 8, 2013 07:39 AM
Dave Hardy where did you get 21` million?
The unit of measure is MX, which is 1000; i.e. 100,000 rds of .40 hollowpoint, 100,000 rounds of 9mm hollowpoint, and 40,000 rounds of 9mm training ammo. 240,000 rds total.
For another, this is a small business set aside, for small ammo makers, not ATK.
This does not look like an attempt to corner the market in ammo or go to war with anyone. I don't know how FLETC works, but if they did six classes a year with 20 students in a class, and each fired 1000 rounds per class, that would be 120,000 rounds right there.
Posted by: Eric at February 8, 2013 10:30 AM
It would be a neat show of support for the 2A if ammo manufacturers would publicly commit to making sure that some given percentage of their output would be solely for non-government sales...
Posted by: Eric at February 8, 2013 10:32 AM
I need an education. Does the federal government actually use Roman Numerals for contract units? If they do, then M is 1000, MX is 1010, and M with a bar over it is 1,000,000. That makes the contract for 242,400 rounds. Truly, and odd number. But, I get back to.... Really, they use roman numerals?!!
If it is a contract for, roughly, 240,000 rounds. That is only "maybe" 20 times what a prudent individual would have on hand for personal use. Two trips to the range per month, say 25 trips to the range per year. That would be about 200 rounds per trip for an annual consumption of 5,000 rounds per year for an individual to stay reasonably competent.
I am a lot more worried that there are 230k DHS employees!!!!!
Posted by: d at February 9, 2013 11:34 AM
I wonder what the hollow points are for? Those aren't for target practice.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 10, 2013 08:31 PM
So Donald Sensing finally catches up:
And for D, no the gummint is not using roman numerals, just codes and abbreviations. MX is 1000.
Posted by: Eric at February 18, 2013 06:22 PM