ROTC cadet suspended for having drill props
Story here. She had several fake guns used at drill, made of wood and duct tape. The school invoked a Colorado law that defines dangerous weapons as "a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm."
Link taken from David Codrea's Examiner report.
Please. Allow me.
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Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at February 8, 2009 12:47 PM
Just how STUPID are school administrators these days?
Posted by: Flighterdoc at February 8, 2009 02:01 PM
I have several children in public schools right now. My mom was a public school teacher back in the day. My wife spent three years working at an elementary school.
Trust me, public school administrators generally were, are, and will be, the bottom of the education barrel. They really love these so-called "no tolerance" rules because...drum roll please...they require NO THOUGHT WHATSOEVER to carry them out. And you know, being good at "thinking" is not what caused them to become administrators.
The best strategy is to deal with them as rarely as possible. And mostly try to just stay below their radar screen.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at February 8, 2009 04:47 PM
Small quibble, but, Young Marines is NOT a JROTC program, it's an after school voluntary association, like Civil Air Patrol or Sea Cadets. That said, what happened to this young lady is simply outrageous.
If the school HAD a JROTC, they would probably be accustomed to Drill pieces and not freak out like this. I was in my High School's NJROTC unit and the Drill pieces we used were deactivated M-1 Garands...the bolt was welded shut and the firing pins removed...but otherwise they were indistinguishable from the real thing unless you looked closely and tested the bolt to confirm it wouldn't open. My freshman year we had 1903 Springfields with fiberglass stocks. Up close you could easily tell they were fake (and they were more fun than the Garands we replaced them with because they were virtually indestructible despite dropped spins, etc), but from a distance, no. And the 1903 Springfield bolts actually functioned, you could cycle it like a real bolt action, but the barrel was plugged, and no firing pin.
In the early years, when cadets would check out drill pieces and take them home, they would sometimes be stopped on foot by the local Sheriff's Department, who would confirm the weapon was non-functional, then send us on our merry way. Our NSI/ANSI were very stern with cadets about treating the drill pieces as if they were real, obeying the 4 rules of gun safety, and made it very clear that anyone caught horsing around with a drill piece would be severely punished and possibly kicked out of the unit.
In schools that lack a JROTC, sometimes the next best option are associations like Young Marines, Civil Air Patrol, or Sea Cadets. They're sort of like a military-oriented version of Boy Scouts. Some students even participate in both. It's no surprise that they also engage in close-order drill with inert drill pieces.
This is absolutely outrageous action on the part of school administrators and they should be ashamed of themselves. I hope the student is able to sue and prevail in court if it comes to that.
Posted by: JJR at February 9, 2009 10:09 AM
Here is the number for the Colorado Governor's Advocate 303-866-2885 Please call and tell them how you feel and that the Governor should step in and put some common sense in to the situation.
Bill Ritter, Governor
136 State Capitol
Denver, CO 80203-1792
Write Gov Ritter.
Posted by: Dave at February 9, 2009 01:12 PM
Colorado Atty David Lane just agreed to represent the girl involved, 630 KHOW Peter Boyles Page ,Peter Boyles is going to help with a fund raiser the Saturday at Gun Smoke Guns in Colorado. David Lane is one of the most aggressive Free Speech Atty in Colorado if not the USA.
Please call the school and the Colorado Governors office to keep the heat on.
Posted by: Dave at February 10, 2009 09:34 AM
That statute seems to me to be unconstitutionally vague.
Posted by: Bill at February 10, 2009 11:21 AM
Common sense is increasingly uncommon, particularly in school administrations...
Posted by: doug in colorado at February 13, 2009 09:21 PM
Everyone here was busy blaming the administrators. It seems to me that if the state has a stupid law, the administrators' hands are bound by said stupid law. The lawmakers should be held accountable for making the law--not the law enforcers.
Posted by: Adam in Colorado at May 10, 2010 08:43 AM