Gov Kaine (VA) vetoes two pro gun bills
One story here, of many. The two bills sound pretty inoccuous, even if the person looking at them was against arms. One (from news accounts) let a CCW carrier enter an establishment that serves alcohol, so long as he didn't drink any. The other seems to have provided that a firearm secured in some way in a vehicle is not concealed (which has been the law in AZ since 1977 without incident).
UPDATE: Reader Anthony Mowry sends a comment which wa for some reason stopped by the spam filter. I'll post it "below the fold."
Why would we expect the legislature to treat mature
adults like mature adults when gun owners don't? We
can't even get CHL holders to admit that it is
possible for someone to have a drink at a bar and not
be plastered. to the point that they can't use their
Gun owners shout that, "alcohol and firearms don't
mix," as blindly as a moronic anti yells about
gun-free zones. Worse are the gun owners who play like
the Fudds they hate, "I don't drink so..."
The truth is that irresponsible behavior and guns (or
anything dangerous like an automobile, ant poison,
etc) don't mix. Freedom is too scary for some people,
they'd rather project their own insecurities on other
people. Studies have shown that lack of sleep or a
long shift can lead to the same type of impairment as
alcohol, so we should not allow CC after work or if
you didn't sleep a solid 8 hours.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but having vetoed the bill, Kaine leaves the status quo in place: any person not prohibited from possessing a firearm may openly carry a sidearm into an establishment that serves alcohol, and may imbibe thereof. By contrast, if Kaine had signed the bill, drinking alcohol while carrying would have become a class-one misdemeanor. Did I get that right? So the Governor seems to be advancing the cause of those who would like to drink while armed.
Posted by: Turk Turon at March 5, 2008 06:47 AM
Yep, I think you got that right. Besides, Kaine doesn't need any new laws. If things are not quite right in the commonwealth, he'll just issue an executive order. So much easier.
Kaine is a big fat democrat liar politician that can be trusted as far as you can throw him.
Posted by: Robin at March 5, 2008 10:12 AM
So given a tall enough building you can trust him quite a ways?
Posted by: KCSteve at March 5, 2008 01:40 PM
Posted by: robin at March 6, 2008 10:10 AM
And his reasons for vetoing were bogus. He claimed that he had received "concerns from law enforcement" regarding the bill allowing a gun in a locked container in a vehicle. He said it would make it more unsafe for police officers. The truth of the matter is that the Virginia State Police officially took no position on the bill. Which should not be surprising because anyone can carry a gun openly in a car without a permit. And the people who are likely to shoot cops are not going to worry too much about whether they're legal in carrying or not.
The only government person to speak out against the restaurant bill was a representative of ABC, who stated he was speaking on the governor's behalf. So Kaine sends the person there to speak out against the bill, then vetoes it saying that he had received concerns from law enforcement.
Great job living up to your campaign promise that you would support the rights of gun owners, there, Timmy.
He also vetoed a bill that would extend Virginia's capital punishment beyond just the triggerman to a direct accomplice. Another thing he said on the campaign was that he would not let his personal views against the death penalty to get in the way of the law of the land. Hmmmm....
Posted by: Bill at March 7, 2008 05:35 AM