Clayton Cramer on the listserv debate re sophisticated collective rights
Clayton's take is here. He draws attention to one contributor's proclamation that the primary weapon against tyranny today is the IED, which of course equates our troops to the servants of tyranny.
The debate is indicative of how far the supporters of sophisticated collective right theory have to push the historical record. Apparently one of their claims is that the 1776 PA declaration of rights ("That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state...") is SCR, since it uses "themselves" instead of, I'd guess, "himself or herself".
That'd be awkward wording, of course. And a look at the 1776 PA Declaration shows that the framers regularly used "people," "they" and "their" to describe clearly individual rights:
"II. That all men have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences and understanding...
XII. That the people have a right to freedom of speech, and of writing, and publishing their sentiments...
XV. That all men have a natural inherent right to emigrate from one state to another that will receive them, or to form a new state in vacant countries, or in such countries as they can purchase, whenever they think that thereby they may promote their own happiness.